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How bout you wake up from your dopey dreams and look around, TO is full of Doctors from abroad.

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Oh yeah!
Haven't you seen some driving Taxi's for a living or doing Pizza Delivery and waiting for years to get a residnecy spot. Not all doctor's get a break and it is more difficult for foreign trained doc's to get residency. Ontario has around 3000 foreign trained doc's with only 190 recidency seats per year. Agreed taht some of them are from Africa and other under developed nations.
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And that's what I mean by doing your homework. I'm sure these figures are available on the internet even from these doctor's home countries!

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And that's what I mean by doing your homework. I'm sure these figures are available on the internet even from these doctor's home countries!

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Any why does the Govt. of Canada do it's homework and give Zero marks to the profession of medicine during the immigration process.
So this ultimately means that they still paint a rosy picture about doctors getting good jobs in Canada/ON/GTA.
I know what they would write in their website :
"Although it is becoming harder for foreign trained doctors to get a residency spot in Ontario, The Hon. Minister of Health has assured the forein trained doctor community that their govt. has a vision of giving every foreign trained doctor a residency spot by 2008. The Govt. Of Canada has set aside 80 Million dollars for this".
The govt. website never give the true answer. I have been hearing stuff from 2002 that the govt. is going to remove the barriers for foreign trained professional. They even set aside a sizable amount og money last year and hey! it is 2006. Nothing has happened yet.
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DT,
When the site was down, i was browsing and i found many link. SInce i am busy at work, i shall update this post by tonight.
I did go through the Canadian medical website and they have updated it / Changed it to better reflect the plight of Doctors in Canada. I am sure that in 2002 things would have been different and due to the plight of various foreign trained doctors have reworded it. Similarly the OAA (Architects council), has included some changes ,specifially mentioning registration requirements for foreign trained architects. But they still say that you donot need a license to work in the field of architecture and that there are a lot of job openings in good times which is totally false.
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Just a sample from the Human right comission article (The Human rights division does not necessarily need to agree with this article done by a membet):
In the mid-eighties, when immigration levels were at their lowest (about 85,000 compared to the current level of about 220,000, it was reported that “a Working Group of deputy ministers (provincial) stated that at any one time about 700 graduates of foreign medical schools are seeking internships – 400 in Ontario” (McDade, 1987.) Ontario restricted the licensing of foreign medical graduates from 323 in 1985 to 24 per year after 1989 (Basaran and Zong, 1998:19). In 1996 Ontario had guaranteed every medical graduate from the province an internship position. However, there were only 24 internships for an estimated 500 foreign-trained physicians who had passed the required Canadian examination (Ibid: 8).

According to a recent report, (India Abroad, August 11, 2000, p.39) there were 456 vacancies for general and family practioners in 108 communities of Ontario. At the same time there are several hundred physicians who cannot practice their profession in Ontario. Even if they pass the required examinations, they cannot find sufficient number of internships. It is said that the Government of Ontario is to strengthen the International Medical Graduate Program at the University of Toronto from 24 to 36 seats. Several other provinces have taken steps to fast track the accreditation process for foreign-trained physicians. Not Ontario, the richest province where physicians are needed badly to save lives while the foreign-trained physicians drive taxis for a living!
Link for the whole article: http://www.ohrc.on.ca/english/consultations/race-policy-dialogue-paper-js.shtml
NOC for Doctors link : http://www23.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/2001/e/groups/3112.shtml
Some experiences of foreign trained doctors cheated by the system : http://www.aipso.ca/doctors_in_waiting.htm
Link showing how federal funding has been released for the speedy recognition of foregin trained doctors in Canada. This is exactly as i said before. Every year they show as if they are doing something to help foreign trained dcotors but nothing happens in actuals : http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2004/2004_08_e.html
Readers digest article about discrimination of foreign trained docs. in Canada 2004 : http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
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Brief to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration
Regarding Bill C-31, Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
18 August 2000
Submitted by: Association of International Physicians & Surgeons of Ontario (AIPSO), and
Ontario Network for Access to Professions and Trades (ONAPT)
Barriers facing internationally trained doctors submitted by a legitimate body. Read the reasons.
Link : http://www.aipso.ca/CIC%20Standing%20Committee%20Final.htm
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Govt link. Ontario says that there is a new pilot project. but where is the stats. on how many will benifit?
Link : http://www.cpso.on.ca/Info_physicians/applicants/regist.htm#RPA
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I tried to get the points for a doctor. They have removed it from the requirements. Now people need to apply irrespective of the profession . So a doctor is treated the same as an IT engineer, or a engineer or a master in arts/ Science. So i applied thinking that i was a doctor and i got 78 points for a min. of 67. CIC has only information for prof. engineer and prof. nurse and not for medical doc's or Dentists.
TK
Sidenote : Doctors, Denstist's , Physio's or people with knowledge about any of them and their troubles in Canada -> Please help me to draft a fitting reply to DT which will dis prove his point.

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DT,
When the site was down, i was browsing and i found many link. SInce i am busy at work, i shall update this post by tonight.
I did go through the Canadian medical website and they have updated it / Changed it to better reflect the plight of Doctors in Canada. I am sure that in 2002 things would have been different and due to the plight of various foreign trained doctors have reworded it. Similarly the OAA (Architects council), has included some changes ,specifially mentioning registration requirements for foreign trained architects. But they still say that you donot need a license to work in the field of architecture and that there are a lot of job openings in good times which is totally false.
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Just a sample from the Human right comission article (The Human rights division does not necessarily need to agree with this article done by a membet):
In the mid-eighties, when immigration levels were at their lowest (about 85,000 compared to the current level of about 220,000, it was reported that “a Working Group of deputy ministers (provincial) stated that at any one time about 700 graduates of foreign medical schools are seeking internships – 400 in Ontario” (McDade, 1987.) Ontario restricted the licensing of foreign medical graduates from 323 in 1985 to 24 per year after 1989 (Basaran and Zong, 1998:19). In 1996 Ontario had guaranteed every medical graduate from the province an internship position. However, there were only 24 internships for an estimated 500 foreign-trained physicians who had passed the required Canadian examination (Ibid: 8).

According to a recent report, (India Abroad, August 11, 2000, p.39) there were 456 vacancies for general and family practioners in 108 communities of Ontario. At the same time there are several hundred physicians who cannot practice their profession in Ontario. Even if they pass the required examinations, they cannot find sufficient number of internships. It is said that the Government of Ontario is to strengthen the International Medical Graduate Program at the University of Toronto from 24 to 36 seats. Several other provinces have taken steps to fast track the accreditation process for foreign-trained physicians. Not Ontario, the richest province where physicians are needed badly to save lives while the foreign-trained physicians drive taxis for a living!
Link for the whole article: http://www.ohrc.on.ca/english/consultations/race-policy-dialogue-paper-js.shtml
NOC for Doctors link : http://www23.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/2001/e/groups/3112.shtml
Some experiences of foreign trained doctors cheated by the system : http://www.aipso.ca/doctors_in_waiting.htm
Link showing how federal funding has been released for the speedy recognition of foregin trained doctors in Canada. This is exactly as i said before. Every year they show as if they are doing something to help foreign trained dcotors but nothing happens in actuals : http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2004/2004_08_e.html
Readers digest article about discrimination of foreign trained docs. in Canada 2004 : http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html


TK
Sidenote : Doctors, Denstist's , Physio's or people with knowledge about any of them and their troubles in Canada -> Please help me to draft a fitting reply to DT which will dis prove his point.

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