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Reverse immigration and the in-between Generation.




jayaram
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Location: Calgary


Yes I agree with rahul_singh23. Who are we in a country of 1 billion people? Every day is struggle there. How much quality time you get there? Yes social life is good there. But you see everybody; most of them are not mentally well (I mean getting angry fast, irritation etc) except those who seek spiritual solace.

If we go back we cannot tolerate. As yesterdays star newspaper article say the people from west need everything done instantly. But in India everything is slow (unless you have some power). Things dont move and we get fed up. Court cases get solved after 10years. What a waste of life there. Life has no value there. People killed and die and what is worth of that life there? Event Dogs are treated much better in west.

Why go back in land of struggle. Go back to retire only if you want and seek spiritual solace


 
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rajand
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Many of us came to Canada precisely for that, Jayaram & I agree with you on some points.

The point one has to consider about life in Canada is that most of us are struggling more than what we did in India. The situation of many is that one feels that dogs are treated better than us. Are we worth anything here as well?

What avenues of entertainment are available here if one does not get enough money ? How long do we keep on struggling in entry-level or labour jobs way below our capabilities?

We came here to improve our standard of living. There are definitely positives of life in the Western countries but against that we are hardly making any money.

So it is upto an individual as to what he likes & does not like. Some are able to compromise or adjust to their situation. Many like it here if they are doing well.

Rgds.


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tamilkuravan
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Well Said Rajan!
Rajan,
Very well said. I support your view point. Also what kind of life is it when my employer makes me work ( and my co workers- all struggling immigrants-some with small children and spouse) 7 days a week , 12 hours a day, openly saying that since i am paying you salary, the question of overtime does not apply on you.
Yes. We can revolt, we can take him to ESA/Court. We can sue him and win EI (that is what ESA ultimately does) But is some other company ready to give us jobs despite the small population of canada, a sound financial balace sheet and a booming economy?
TK

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desi in ottawa
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Are we selfish?
We only talk abt ourselves, our jobs, our struggle, etc. How many of us have thought abt our children when they grow up? Are we sure/certain that the conditions such as economy, healthcare, jobs, would be the same or better in 20 yrs? We are only concerned abt our social life, partying, etc. Have we ever thought if our kids get married and have a stable life? Seen too many old timers where their children have a torrid time. They cant identify themselves neither with desis nor with locals. They are torn in between, confused (CBCDs). End up marrying a white and the desi parents are grumbling abt this and feel insecure since they dont know if the marriage will last just like theirs. Just teaching music and dance does not mean that they have Indian values.

BTW, still watching old timers flashing the citizenship of their kids to get them married (importing SILs and DILS from India)

DIO


 
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tamilkuravan
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To Dio-You are Mistaken
DIO,
you are not realising the Basics. if we (the parents) are not well settled in Canada then what is the use of talking about raising the children?. First we have to be well settled in Canada and then we can talk about raising the children in a good way.
What i have thougt (only my thought) is to send my daughter back to india when she is about 9 and bring her abroad (not necessarily Canada) only when she is 18 or 22 + (when she finished a graduate degree in india). By this time she would have the ability to think logically and be sucessful.
And note that NRI's can get admission very very easily into IIT's, REC's under the NRI quota than the citizens. The fees will be more but the risk is worth it.
As Jesus said " if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the ditch"- i mean that first take care that you are well settled in canada, have peace of mind etc... and then take care of the child. if you think now that children's needs are to be first met with you lanushing in some labour job then both of you will not have peace of mind nor be ever settled in life.
TK

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samosa_syndrome
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Canada does not need any more people or a population growth since all jobs are moving to China and India.

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Orginally posted by naudurivsm

Interesting articles.

The Population in Canada is nearly stagnant or is very very slow in terms of growth.

refer to the following table of population statistics

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02.htm?sdi=population

There seems to be a huge "Population Turnover" in Canada.
That means People are coming as migrants, getting citizenship and then they are leaving the country as well for x,y,z ..... reasons.

The effect of this is stagnant population.

Your thoughts ??



 
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jasmeek
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Canada only needs labour...Educated or uneducated...


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Orginally posted by samosa_syndrome


Canada does not need any more people or a population growth since all jobs are moving to China and India.

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Orginally posted by naudurivsm

Interesting articles.

The Population in Canada is nearly stagnant or is very very slow in terms of growth.

refer to the following table of population statistics

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02.htm?sdi=population

There seems to be a huge "Population Turnover" in Canada.
That means People are coming as migrants, getting citizenship and then they are leaving the country as well for x,y,z ..... reasons.

The effect of this is stagnant population.

Your thoughts ??



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morning_rain
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Orginally posted by tamilkuravan

What i have thougt (only my thought) is to send my daughter back to india when she is about 9 and bring her to canada only when she is 18 or 22 + (when she finished a graduate degree in india). By this time she would have the ability to think logically and be sucessful.

TK



Why would you send your daughter away from you for over 10 years?!!!
Also..if you know that its difficult for an immigrant to find professional work in Canada then why would you make ur daughter finish grad school there? Wont she be in the same predicament that you are? that all first gens seem to be facing ?
I think to suddenly uplift her and send her back..without her parents..is cruel. You chose to have children and you chose to migrate to Canada.

By what way do you mean she'l be able to think logically and be successful?


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morning_rain
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Orginally posted by desi in ottawa

We only talk abt ourselves, our jobs, our struggle, etc. How many of us have thought abt our children when they grow up? Are we sure/certain that the conditions such as economy, healthcare, jobs, would be the same or better in 20 yrs? We are only concerned abt our social life, partying, etc. Have we ever thought if our kids get married and have a stable life? Seen too many old timers where their children have a torrid time. They cant identify themselves neither with desis nor with locals. They are torn in between, confused (CBCDs). End up marrying a white and the desi parents are grumbling abt this and feel insecure since they dont know if the marriage will last just like theirs. Just teaching music and dance does not mean that they have Indian values.

BTW, still watching old timers flashing the citizenship of their kids to get them married (importing SILs and DILS from India)

DIO



Im a 2nd generation - my parents were professional immigrants that came to canada in the 70's.

I dont agree that all 2nd gens are confused desi's. There is nothing wrong with travelling the middle path - keeping the best of both worlds so to speak.
There is also nothing wrong (in my opinion) of intermarriage with a caucasian or any other race. What is required to make a marriage work -works regardless of one's culture. There is no guarantee that your child marrying an Indian or 2nd gen Indian will have a more stable marriage. There is no guarantee that marrying an caucasian will inevitably lead to divorce. I know a few happily married mixed couples..

Your point that old timers flash the citizenships of their children to get them married: Do you agree with this practice? what are your thoughts??

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tamilkuravan
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Morning Rain
Morning rain,
Canada is slowly losing its job strength and i bet that canada would be suffering 20 years along the line.
Do you think that i can give happiness to my daughter by working 7 days a week and 6 months cold every year ?
My idea is to give her govt. benefits till 10 years of age and send her to be in india where the atmoshphere is so relaxing and free. She will have grand parents, relatives etc.. I can go and see her for 2 weeks every year and she can come to canada 2 months every year (vacation). I am sure that she will love india when compared to Canada.
I want to bring her up in Indian Values ( call me an old timer, spoil sport- i donot care), meaning No dating, No drugs, No over mingling with Boys, No cellphone etc... And besides, Canada would be the last place that i would prefer her to comeafter 22 years. She will go either to UK, USA , Europe etc..
TK
Sidenote : What i had meant by logical thinking was that at 22 she will have the maturity to choose wisely. At 18 i was given the free hand to choose and i choosed : no drugs, no dating, no smokes, no alchohal, share trading etc...

side note 2 : The only reason taht i have left my wife and daughter in india till may is that they should not suffer canadian cold and for proper medical care. This nation is horrible with cold 6 months a year and very very poor medical facilities.

Side note 3 : The problem with second gen. canadians is that they canot think outside Canadian or American borders. (later addition : Or should i reword it as since we know the working of both the countries and we have been there and experiences things personally ,we know what will be the best for our children given our circumstances -India or Canada.)

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