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Orginally posted by desi in ottawa
As I have observed while talking to lot of south indian parents, they want their children to become doctors or get govt jobs after graduation (assuming they will graduate, not dropout). Nothing wrong in it. But there would be only so many doctors and govt positions available. And they have to compete with local canadians.

DIO

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Dimple2001

Inhibitions die hard. We carry the same things here also. How many 2nd gen. desis are teachers? May be we can count. I have met no. of desis in this country. Hardly anyone is a teacher. I know a tamil lady who is a high school teacher in Ottawa. Chandresh's wife is a teacher. Now I know only two so far. There could be more in Toronto.

I think we are off the original topic. Locals make sure that they cover their territory. Refugees from certain countries breed like #$%% thereby getting govt assistance or end up doing menial jobs.

I may be a naturalized citizen but I am an outsider by the looks. This does not apply to east europeans.

DIO

We have parents/family that is best part in India. This is common reason for all Indians to think about to go back.
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Others things depend upon person to person:

If job/salary/promotion/career is the only thing in life then India is definitely good as compare to Canada.

This is my personal view:

I came from administration (IPS/IPS/IRS) family background and I saw that if you are God or God like (IAS/IPS/super-2 rich/filmstar/politican with some power) then India is best part, others are Chicken (because of big population, our system). If you are making 40k/50k per month working on latest technology or leading a team in offshore project then you are also part of the whole crowd which is called Chicken. You can not live with people in India, you have to live over the people.

I saw how these big bosses (god father in private companies having good education background) are standing in Govt. office in front of IAS for renewing export license, even peon does not ask for water to these people. Peon/clerk/babus treat them like dirt, Then you feel that only God like people can live in India. That is not going to change, our constitution is written like that way and those people will run the govt/country.

I have seen with my eyes in Delhi where 80% cops are Jats and speak local language. If you try to speak in English and show them you are well educated then they will put you in Gipsy/Jeep and you will have 24 hrs for Bail. In that time Ramlal(that is police language of roller that break your bones in lockup) will work at night and you will have bail but your respect/java1.4/onsite experience does not work. What you can do? You can send application to IPS/IAS officers and get transfer to that cop.

So only two choices in India... God like people or Chicken.

Yes I agree with rahul_singh23. Who are we in a country of 1 billion people? Every day is struggle there. How much quality time you get there? Yes social life is good there. But you see everybody; most of them are not mentally well (I mean getting angry fast, irritation etc) except those who seek spiritual solace.

If we go back we cannot tolerate. As yesterdays star newspaper article say the people from west need everything done instantly. But in India everything is slow (unless you have some power). Things don’t move and we get fed up. Court cases get solved after 10years. What a waste of life there. Life has no value there. People killed and die and what is worth of that life there? Event Dogs are treated much better in west.

Why go back in land of struggle. Go back to retire only if you want and seek spiritual solace

Many of us came to Canada precisely for that, Jayaram & I agree with you on some points.

The point one has to consider about life in Canada is that most of us are struggling more than what we did in India. The situation of many is that one feels that dogs are treated better than us. Are we worth anything here as well?

What avenues of entertainment are available here if one does not get enough money ? How long do we keep on struggling in entry-level or labour jobs way below our capabilities?

We came here to improve our standard of living. There are definitely positives of life in the Western countries but against that we are hardly making any money.

So it is upto an individual as to what he likes & does not like. Some are able to compromise or adjust to their situation. Many like it here if they are doing well.

Rgds.

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Let's make India a better place !

Rajan,
Very well said. I support your view point. Also what kind of life is it when my employer makes me work ( and my co workers- all struggling immigrants-some with small children and spouse) 7 days a week , 12 hours a day, openly saying that since i am paying you salary, the question of overtime does not apply on you.
Yes. We can revolt, we can take him to ESA/Court. We can sue him and win EI (that is what ESA ultimately does) But is some other company ready to give us jobs despite the small population of canada, a sound financial balace sheet and a booming economy?
TK

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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.

We only talk abt ourselves, our jobs, our struggle, etc. How many of us have thought abt our children when they grow up? Are we sure/certain that the conditions such as economy, healthcare, jobs, would be the same or better in 20 yrs? We are only concerned abt our social life, partying, etc. Have we ever thought if our kids get married and have a stable life? Seen too many old timers where their children have a torrid time. They cant identify themselves neither with desis nor with locals. They are torn in between, confused (CBCDs). End up marrying a white and the desi parents are grumbling abt this and feel insecure since they dont know if the marriage will last just like theirs. Just teaching music and dance does not mean that they have Indian values.

BTW, still watching old timers flashing the citizenship of their kids to get them married (importing SILs and DILS from India)

DIO