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Reverse immigration and the in-between Generation.




There is an article on reverse immigration trend among Chinese-Canadians in Saturday’s Toronto Star (11/2/06). It makes one wonder about similar trends gaining momentum among Indians as well who migrated from India in the past decade or even more. Going back a generation or two, moving out of India to the West was a no-brainer decision. Today, it certainly is a much harder question to answer. Will it be a no-brainer decision for next generation to return to India for a better life and brighter future? Only time will tell.
If the answer is yes, then are we the in-between Generation?

Global trends and statistics overwhelmingly indicate that the 21st century is bringing the Asian revival faster than expected. Many may agree that this is just the beginning and India may need a sustained high growth rate and development efforts to bring it at par with the developed world, but if the current 8+% growth rate is sustained for decade or so India wont be far behind the rest of the developed world. And as the baby boomers enter the consumer market in the next few years, India will be the world’s most important and largest consumer market for western products and services along with China and rest of South Asian region..
The telecom revolution is already changing lives in the way Indians work and live even in rural areas, a sharp contrast to the 5 year waitlist for getting a landline in 80s. As it stands today India’s telecom system is more consumer friendly and flexible when compared to the best in the World. Other mega projects like laying a countrywide network of highways, connecting major rivers, revamping airports will further strengthen self reliance and make India behemoth world power in the next 10 to 15 years. Today, the already strong service and manufacturing industry is adjusting to the sudden influx of international business interests, but in the next 10-15 years Indian industry will be well established in the world markets and will product major Industry giants in a wide spectrum of industries. The world’s next version of Jack Welch, Bill Gates or Trump will very likely be from India or Asia. Today’s King of Steel world is already from India and this is just the infancy of India’s emergence.

The panic is slowly setting in the West and it is getting more and more widespread in different industries and levels of government. The writing is on the wall and we come across it everyday in different ways, last week Time magazine published a cover page article on the mess with Science and Math’s education in US and how India kept its education focus. US President mentioned India and China as the next Economic challenge to US in his State of the union address and the students from top 10 business schools in US are competing to get a summer internship in an Indian company. These are all very loud indication of coming era of Indian dominance in the world economy. These are just a few instances among many that we are getting accustomed to seeing in our daily lives.

One would hope that economic revival would also bring huge improvement in social values, corruption levels and law and order. Say in the next 15 years if all the reasons for which we left India are gone, would we then not say.. ” Yeah, I wish we could go back to our own country, culture and people.”?

It is also just a matter of time that in the next 15-20 years the demography of the population in the Western countries would have a majority of Senior citizens relying on the tax dollars of new minority working class. Do we want our kids to be a part of a minority working class or a part of the newly developed and booming era of Indian and Asian revival ? International professionals and executives are already beginning to show interest in working in India, and if the trend grows then wouldn't the next generation of professional look at india as the most sought after destination to work?

Just as our parents thought about our future and encouraged and motivated us to work hard and go west for a better life, don’t we owe it to our next generation to plan for a better life for them ? While we, stuck in the in-between generation may keep debating to go or not to go back, but those of us with kids should prepare to answer their kids when they grow up, why we should not go and settle in India?

We may not live to see how the 21st century ends but the next generation surely will, and we owe them an answer.

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Good article.

Two things I would like to see on a personal level that's already mentioned in the article:

1. India - Improvement in the areas of corruption, beauracracy and red tape to get anything done through the Govt.

2. Canada/US - Reduced emphasis on high school graduations and strong emphasis on the importance of an undergraudate degree. This, I believe, would foster higher expectations and might strengthen the educational background.


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It's a matter of time?
U touched a sensitive topic most NRIs try to avoid to even think.

Sometime last year, I had posted abt a book that discussed future outsourcing and changing demographics. I cant remember the name of the book (I could do a search in charcha?). Anyways, in the next 15-20 yrs thousands of jobs would move to Asian countries due to labor costs. If a job that does not require day to day human contact, that could be done remotely from a far off location. Due to rapid improvements in communication, working from India/China is not a big deal anymore. Biggies like IBM are chopping off jobs and reducing benefits. Canada is slow to join the outsourcing bandwagon, but eventually catch up.

As you mentioned, western executives are looking at India for lucrative jobs (Europeans are already working in call centres). IMO, our kids will have to look for jobs in India.

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Interesting articles.

The Population in Canada is nearly stagnant or is very very slow in terms of growth.

refer to the following table of population statistics

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02.htm?sdi=population

There seems to be a huge "Population Turnover" in Canada.
That means People are coming as migrants, getting citizenship and then they are leaving the country as well for x,y,z ..... reasons.

The effect of this is stagnant population.

Your thoughts ??


 
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1. India - Improvement in the areas of corruption, beauracracy and red tape to get anything done through the Govt.

>>>Agreed. On the other hand if the Indian govt becomes efficient like the west, then many jobs will go to India too quickly.

2. Canada/US - Reduced emphasis on high school graduations and strong emphasis on the importance of an undergraudate degree. This, I believe, would foster higher expectations and might strengthen the educational background.
>>>Society plays a big part in individual lives (abt 70%). When there are few jobs and hundreds are competing for it, guess who will get them? Locals or immigrants?




 
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Society plays a big part in individual lives (abt 70%). When there are few jobs and hundreds are competing for it, guess who will get them? Locals or immigrants?




You have a point.

What I meant was it could be other way round as well. For ex, to combat current limited opportunities in the automotive/engineering field, my employer, which is a global firm, has increased the bar for engineer hires - a MS degree in any engineering !!

As recently as 6 years ago, a person with several years of experience in the field could get a job without a BS degree. Then BS degree became a necessity and now this. Not that I am complaining since I fortunately possess a graduate engineering degree.

I am seeing, in my company, that more and more new hires are Asian immigrants (predominantly of Indian origin) to fill the limited engineering positions due to the educational bar that's been set. Again, no complaints here either.

Irrespective of what the skin color is, what saddens me is the fact that these youngsters put in more emphasis on game playoffs, concerts, celebrities, etc etc while interest seems to be waning on pursuing technical education. And I guess this will continue to contribute to the decline of Science and Technology superiority as the original article suggested.

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Quote:
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Irrespective of what the skin color is, what saddens me is the fact that these youngsters put in more emphasis on game playoffs, concerts, celebrities, etc etc while interest seems to be waning on pursuing technical education. And I guess this will continue to contribute to the decline of Science and Technology superiority as the original article suggested.



Right on the spot. Only exception IMO would be the skin colour. Asian parents, majority of them, try to imbibe their values to the children that they were taught back home. But for locals, it's a different story, for majority of them.

As I have observed while talking to lot of south indian parents, they want their children to become doctors or get govt jobs after graduation (assuming they will graduate, not dropout). Nothing wrong in it. But there would be only so many doctors and govt positions available. And they have to compete with local canadians.

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As I have observed while talking to lot of south indian parents, they want their children to become doctors or get govt jobs after graduation (assuming they will graduate, not dropout). Nothing wrong in it. But there would be only so many doctors and govt positions available. And they have to compete with local canadians.

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You just got me into an entirely different topic :D . What's with the attachment of parents on kids pursuing only Engr, Medicine or Law? (the Govt. job thingie is a new one for me....). I understand those professions are the ones that used to be great (or still is?) in India, but over here??? (Am I contradicting myself from my previous posts?)

My parents (my dad) were hell bent on me graduating with a Mechanical engr degree (not just any engr). If it were upto me I would have preferred being an aircraft pilot !!

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Inhibitions die hard. We carry the same things here also. How many 2nd gen. desis are teachers? May be we can count. I have met no. of desis in this country. Hardly anyone is a teacher. I know a tamil lady who is a high school teacher in Ottawa. Chandresh's wife is a teacher. Now I know only two so far. There could be more in Toronto.

I think we are off the original topic. Locals make sure that they cover their territory. Refugees from certain countries breed like #$%% thereby getting govt assistance or end up doing menial jobs.

I may be a naturalized citizen but I am an outsider by the looks. This does not apply to east europeans.

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We have parents/family that is best part in India. This is common reason for all Indians to think about to go back.
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Others things depend upon person to person:

If job/salary/promotion/career is the only thing in life then India is definitely good as compare to Canada.

This is my personal view:

I came from administration (IPS/IPS/IRS) family background and I saw that if you are God or God like (IAS/IPS/super-2 rich/filmstar/politican with some power) then India is best part, others are Chicken (because of big population, our system). If you are making 40k/50k per month working on latest technology or leading a team in offshore project then you are also part of the whole crowd which is called Chicken. You can not live with people in India, you have to live over the people.

I saw how these big bosses (god father in private companies having good education background) are standing in Govt. office in front of IAS for renewing export license, even peon does not ask for water to these people. Peon/clerk/babus treat them like dirt, Then you feel that only God like people can live in India. That is not going to change, our constitution is written like that way and those people will run the govt/country.

I have seen with my eyes in Delhi where 80% cops are Jats and speak local language. If you try to speak in English and show them you are well educated then they will put you in Gipsy/Jeep and you will have 24 hrs for Bail. In that time Ramlal(that is police language of roller that break your bones in lockup) will work at night and you will have bail but your respect/java1.4/onsite experience does not work. What you can do? You can send application to IPS/IAS officers and get transfer to that cop.

So only two choices in India... God like people or Chicken.



 
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